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This is a post to spread awareness and hopefully to show Plutonium staff about Kiels, the owner of ZTAVERN about what he has been doing to the Playerbase and Donators to his servers.
Around the morning of the 29th (As this post is being made) Kiels started banning random people in the discord server and the game. The people getting banned were specifically donators to the game, people who had give him money ranging from 20$ up to 300$. Screenshots below showing how he treats his playerbase:
I am simply making this post to spread awareness and hopefully get him BANNED from Plutonium. As someone who personally gave this guy over 100$, this is really heartbreaking and I feel quite annoyed that I have been banned from his servers just because I'm "old gen". I have put over 100 hours of time into these servers and I am frankly quite annoyed.
Malyyz I don't understand why so many people are returning their jackets following this incident when since the shop was set up no one has complained about it and above all I admired Kiels' creations, he made Z-TAVERN the one of the best bo2 plutonium servers, you were all hyped and now you want to see it sink, you are mixing everything up and it's a shame! The start of the problem is poor communication between Kiels and the staff, the server and the coining system are not the causes of what is currently happening with the server, I started ZTAVERN and all the skills can only be unlocked for free except these are players who proposed to Kiels to set up a shop to access skills, but this is not jne fatality! we can still earn these skills for free and those who WANT can buy them.
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Malyyz I don't understand why so many people are returning their jackets following this incident when since the shop was set up no one has complained about it and above all I admired Kiels' creations, he made Z-TAVERN the one of the best bo2 plutonium servers, you were all hyped and now you want to see it sink, you are mixing everything up and it's a shame! The start of the problem is poor communication between Kiels and the staff, the server and the coining system are not the causes of what is currently happening with the server, I started ZTAVERN and all the skills can only be unlocked for free except these are players who proposed to Kiels to set up a shop to access skills, but this is not jne fatality! we can still earn these skills for free and those who WANT can buy them.
Keenta its being shut down cause of what kiels did, did you not read what everyone else has sai up above?
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After further consideration, we've decided to temporarily ban the "Z-TAVERN" servers for a duration of 2 weeks effective immediately. We do not appreciate people monetizing ours (and others) efforts and goodwill like this. No further "rent seeking" or similar behavior will be tolerated, do better or face the consequences. Recouping server expenses is one thing, trying to turn it into a "business" is not.
Eizekiels You've caused trouble before, consider this your final warning.
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Malyyz I don't understand why so many people are returning their jackets following this incident when since the shop was set up no one has complained about it and above all I admired Kiels' creations, he made Z-TAVERN the one of the best bo2 plutonium servers, you were all hyped and now you want to see it sink, you are mixing everything up and it's a shame! The start of the problem is poor communication between Kiels and the staff, the server and the coining system are not the causes of what is currently happening with the server, I started ZTAVERN and all the skills can only be unlocked for free except these are players who proposed to Kiels to set up a shop to access skills, but this is not jne fatality! we can still earn these skills for free and those who WANT can buy them.
Keenta just because the guy did 4 good gamemode ( 2 of them have been crashing for mounth) doesn't mean he has the right to squeeze every dime out of us and treating everyone like shit, your community should come first and it's clearly not the case here
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So much overreact here, why argue on chat when u can just 1v1 grief???
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Nakero of all the language you could have chosen, you chose to speak in based
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Nakero of all the language you could have chosen, you chose to speak in based
Blaze the cat said in Kiels / Eizekiels: ZTAVERN owner and Serial Scammer:
Nakero of all the language you could have chosen, you chose to speak in based
yeah bro its like:
-"oh no! the owner of a big pluto server banned ppl unfairly"
-"oh shit dude this can't be true!"-"oh no, Malyyz making a giga thread on plutonium forum with screenshots and so much fukng text just to complain"
-"damn bro that's crazy, who would've guessed?" -
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I didn't even know this level of monetization existed on plutonium servers, thats just insane
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Some of these servers have made $20k+
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Blaze the cat said in Kiels / Eizekiels: ZTAVERN owner and Serial Scammer:
Nakero of all the language you could have chosen, you chose to speak in based
yeah bro its like:
-"oh no! the owner of a big pluto server banned ppl unfairly"
-"oh shit dude this can't be true!"-"oh no, Malyyz making a giga thread on plutonium forum with screenshots and so much fukng text just to complain"
-"damn bro that's crazy, who would've guessed?"Nakero said in Kiels / Eizekiels: ZTAVERN owner and Serial Scammer:
Blaze the cat said in Kiels / Eizekiels: ZTAVERN owner and Serial Scammer:
Nakero of all the language you could have chosen, you chose to speak in based
yeah bro its like:
-"oh no! the owner of a big pluto server banned ppl unfairly"
-"oh shit dude this can't be true!"-"oh no, Malyyz making a giga thread on plutonium forum with screenshots and so much fukng text just to complain"
-"damn bro that's crazy, who would've guessed?"love how you're here defending him while this whole problem is because how he clearly demonstrated in the screenshots above how he has no respect and doesn't give a fk about his community
, do you really think he gives a fk about anyone in the community that these guys maintained, if he did that to the ones that stood by him from the beginning for literally reacting with a checkmark to a msg that isnt to his likinganother thing
do you believe this bullsht?
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Was my recent attitude correct ? No, it was not. And I learned from it,
I stripped people of their freedom of speech for my personal interest
I prioritized the money over the communityFor my recent behavior, I would like to apologize to everyone for breaking the trust you have put on myself & Z-Tavern
Plutonium was nice enough to give me a second chance, I will make good use of it and try to restore the status of the servers
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do you really think he would have "LeArNeD FrOm iT" if it weren't for the backlash he got?
of course he'll say anything to save whatever is left to his image.
you really need to get your head examined if you really think it's okay to sucker everyone who considered you a friend for a free help like that -
Blaze the cat said in Kiels / Eizekiels: ZTAVERN owner and Serial Scammer:
Nakero of all the language you could have chosen, you chose to speak in based
yeah bro its like:
-"oh no! the owner of a big pluto server banned ppl unfairly"
-"oh shit dude this can't be true!"-"oh no, Malyyz making a giga thread on plutonium forum with screenshots and so much fukng text just to complain"
-"damn bro that's crazy, who would've guessed?" -
After further consideration, we've decided to temporarily ban the "Z-TAVERN" servers for a duration of 2 weeks effective immediately. We do not appreciate people monetizing ours (and others) efforts and goodwill like this. No further "rent seeking" or similar behavior will be tolerated, do better or face the consequences. Recouping server expenses is one thing, trying to turn it into a "business" is not.
Eizekiels You've caused trouble before, consider this your final warning.
Think some people fail to understand the reason behind this temp ban. I think a lot of good can come from this. Pluto's entire reason for existence is to give people a safe place to come and play some of the best games. They've given us a place to be creative and provide people with a unique experience with some of their favorite games. Some of us myself included have taken advantage of the situation by profiting off of THEIR hard work. all though some of us server owners have put countless hours into our work its nothing compared to the time the Pluto team has put into Plutonium. All though i currently pay $446 a month to keep my servers up I do so for the same reason Pluto does. If Plutonium is not aloud to publicly accept $ support then i should not be able to either. I will take all In game purchases out of my shop and make them available based on the players rank / prestige.
P.s I don't charge over $35 Lifetime for my VIP for those servers out there that are charging $30+ monthly or $100+ lifetime I ask you to be transparent with your cost or at least make the cost reasonable. Thank you for your time, Happy Gaming
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This is a post to spread awareness and hopefully to show Plutonium staff about Kiels, the owner of ZTAVERN about what he has been doing to the Playerbase and Donators to his servers.
Around the morning of the 29th (As this post is being made) Kiels started banning random people in the discord server and the game. The people getting banned were specifically donators to the game, people who had give him money ranging from 20$ up to 300$. Screenshots below showing how he treats his playerbase:
I am simply making this post to spread awareness and hopefully get him BANNED from Plutonium. As someone who personally gave this guy over 100$, this is really heartbreaking and I feel quite annoyed that I have been banned from his servers just because I'm "old gen". I have put over 100 hours of time into these servers and I am frankly quite annoyed.
Malyyz The post you intended to spread the awareness of kiels "Serial Scammer" is a lie of yours. Kiels never scammed anyone in fact, he always refunded the necessary reasonable requests. You do not get refunded when violated the game's rules, such as cheating. In the ToS he mentions that when you get banned from the server (in game) that's when you do not get refunded. You've clearly tried to take advantage of his ToS by interpreting it in other ways. From the time you created this post until now, you have been spreading fake statements about him being a 'scammer'. Z-Tavern is clearly the best on whole BO2 Zombies Plutonium, and Eizekiels his work is impacting Plutonium's activity. I'm sure Eldor does not appreciate false accusations that overdramatizes the situation. I do not think that Kiels and his work is being appreciated by clowns (who spread these false accusations) at this point. Stop trying to decrease plutonium's activity by spreading further fake statements. But at least, this forum post was a nice free marketing for Z-Tavern. I hope to see more activity on Z-Tavern servers in 12 days. Thank you in advance
- Below I have attached some general proof of refunds not including private refunds
- Below I have attached some general proof of refunds not including private refunds
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Malyyz The post you intended to spread the awareness of kiels "Serial Scammer" is a lie of yours. Kiels never scammed anyone in fact, he always refunded the necessary reasonable requests. You do not get refunded when violated the game's rules, such as cheating. In the ToS he mentions that when you get banned from the server (in game) that's when you do not get refunded. You've clearly tried to take advantage of his ToS by interpreting it in other ways. From the time you created this post until now, you have been spreading fake statements about him being a 'scammer'. Z-Tavern is clearly the best on whole BO2 Zombies Plutonium, and Eizekiels his work is impacting Plutonium's activity. I'm sure Eldor does not appreciate false accusations that overdramatizes the situation. I do not think that Kiels and his work is being appreciated by clowns (who spread these false accusations) at this point. Stop trying to decrease plutonium's activity by spreading further fake statements. But at least, this forum post was a nice free marketing for Z-Tavern. I hope to see more activity on Z-Tavern servers in 12 days. Thank you in advance
- Below I have attached some general proof of refunds not including private refunds
Ultrabars so i guess the rest doesn't matter then
- Below I have attached some general proof of refunds not including private refunds
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Malyyz The post you intended to spread the awareness of kiels "Serial Scammer" is a lie of yours. Kiels never scammed anyone in fact, he always refunded the necessary reasonable requests. You do not get refunded when violated the game's rules, such as cheating. In the ToS he mentions that when you get banned from the server (in game) that's when you do not get refunded. You've clearly tried to take advantage of his ToS by interpreting it in other ways. From the time you created this post until now, you have been spreading fake statements about him being a 'scammer'. Z-Tavern is clearly the best on whole BO2 Zombies Plutonium, and Eizekiels his work is impacting Plutonium's activity. I'm sure Eldor does not appreciate false accusations that overdramatizes the situation. I do not think that Kiels and his work is being appreciated by clowns (who spread these false accusations) at this point. Stop trying to decrease plutonium's activity by spreading further fake statements. But at least, this forum post was a nice free marketing for Z-Tavern. I hope to see more activity on Z-Tavern servers in 12 days. Thank you in advance
- Below I have attached some general proof of refunds not including private refunds
Ultrabars
you're probably blind but care to take a look at these
translation:
//"I have decided that your recent change in behavior is no longer aligned with my goals for the staff team, and I am sacrificing you to send a message to the majority. You will be permanently banned from Discord, but you can still play. Your staff status is obviously revoked. Thank you for your work, Fana"// - Below I have attached some general proof of refunds not including private refunds
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Malyyz The post you intended to spread the awareness of kiels "Serial Scammer" is a lie of yours. Kiels never scammed anyone in fact, he always refunded the necessary reasonable requests. You do not get refunded when violated the game's rules, such as cheating. In the ToS he mentions that when you get banned from the server (in game) that's when you do not get refunded. You've clearly tried to take advantage of his ToS by interpreting it in other ways. From the time you created this post until now, you have been spreading fake statements about him being a 'scammer'. Z-Tavern is clearly the best on whole BO2 Zombies Plutonium, and Eizekiels his work is impacting Plutonium's activity. I'm sure Eldor does not appreciate false accusations that overdramatizes the situation. I do not think that Kiels and his work is being appreciated by clowns (who spread these false accusations) at this point. Stop trying to decrease plutonium's activity by spreading further fake statements. But at least, this forum post was a nice free marketing for Z-Tavern. I hope to see more activity on Z-Tavern servers in 12 days. Thank you in advance
- Below I have attached some general proof of refunds not including private refunds
Ultrabars Please stop spreading false information.
- Below I have attached some general proof of refunds not including private refunds
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Ultrabars Bruh those refunds were for in game points all of them lol
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plus all those are a year older and mostly speaking about in game money, yes kiels do refund but only for recent purchase (mainly because he can't and obviously if everyone refund their stuff when they quit, no money can be made) it doesn't mean it's ok to make people pay for raid pass then releasing it for free to a bunch of people on discord litteraly the next day, nobody is against kiels making some cash with the server, the main issue is the constant focus on money, every decision made in the last month as been about money (even in vc), money transaction now negativly impact the community ( privatization of server for money) instead of helping it, nobody had an issue with the old shop aside from the few p2w claim (which i don't think it was and got smaller as the time went by), kiels decided to remove it in order to provide a f2p experience for the community despite everyone telling him that while it was apreciated, it wasn't sustainable in the long run which kiels denied saying the funding were good, now he backpedal and the next day we see auction going over 100$, ofc some people won't have it
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Ultrabars
you're probably blind but care to take a look at these
translation:
//"I have decided that your recent change in behavior is no longer aligned with my goals for the staff team, and I am sacrificing you to send a message to the majority. You will be permanently banned from Discord, but you can still play. Your staff status is obviously revoked. Thank you for your work, Fana"//3antel Blind to see what? In that french text there is no evidence of any scams. The title of this post is "Kiels is a serial scammer". You act as if the title is just to attract attention to bring up kiels his behaviour towards his staff. In regards to his behaviour towards his staff (seems like you want to talk about it a lot and won't stop until we talk about it), the language used may appear harsh (he recognized it and apologized). But know that as the owner of the server, Kiels reserves the right to manage his staff team as he sees fit. You are correct that kiels could have departed on better terms with his staff member but however, using personal matters to attract plutonium forum members on fake statements about him scamming people? Well that's questionable.
