Rebooting the idea for Black Ops 3?
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Around 2020 or so, a post about future support for the game was made. At the time I mainly agreed about what was said, and thought it was mostly fine.
However, as people know it, there has been plenty of issues regarding Black Ops 3, and with Plutonium's recent addition to the client needing ownership of a game, Piracy might not be an issue anymore.
What I have an issue with isn't Zombies, as T7 patch provided a way for us to safely play the game, albeit, without any of the big bug fixes and fps improvements of the big client that used to be for the game. The real issue is by far Multiplayer.
It's one of my favorite multiplayers for cod, but the multiplayer in at least PC is shrouded by hackers, vulnerabilities any many other issues that you can't fix with just a patch that blocks connection to others, but a client that allows connection but rids of those vulnerabilities, cheats, and bugs completely or at least mostly could bring hundreds back.
This probably won't ever happen, at least with this client, but I'm just wondering what Plutonium Staff's stance on BO3 is now, and has it changed since people have last asked about this in 2020? Would you think a future client would be a good idea, even if it's not made by Plutonium? I'm not asking for much really, I think it'd just be a nice discussion.
Lastly, but not least, I sincerely hope staff and whoever may be reading this may have a great and wonderful day!
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READ TO THE END BEFORE REPLYING
Around 2020 or so, a post about future support for the game was made. At the time I mainly agreed about what was said, and thought it was mostly fine.
However, as people know it, there has been plenty of issues regarding Black Ops 3, and with Plutonium's recent addition to the client needing ownership of a game, Piracy might not be an issue anymore.
What I have an issue with isn't Zombies, as T7 patch provided a way for us to safely play the game, albeit, without any of the big bug fixes and fps improvements of the big client that used to be for the game. The real issue is by far Multiplayer.
It's one of my favorite multiplayers for cod, but the multiplayer in at least PC is shrouded by hackers, vulnerabilities any many other issues that you can't fix with just a patch that blocks connection to others, but a client that allows connection but rids of those vulnerabilities, cheats, and bugs completely or at least mostly could bring hundreds back.
This probably won't ever happen, at least with this client, but I'm just wondering what Plutonium Staff's stance on BO3 is now, and has it changed since people have last asked about this in 2020? Would you think a future client would be a good idea, even if it's not made by Plutonium? I'm not asking for much really, I think it'd just be a nice discussion.
Lastly, but not least, I sincerely hope staff and whoever may be reading this may have a great and wonderful day!
Muufle it did not change. Just look at what happened to the last BO3 client
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Resxt That was a result with Piracy, no? I could be getting this wrong but the last client was taken down by the author as it was a byproduct of another client that received a cease & desist. However, I do understand why Plutonium would not do it, no point in risking it at this stage. Maybe you're talking about T7 though? I'm unaware as to what happened there and why it discontinued even after support from shiversoft, google is giving me no good answers, did they get a Cease & Desist just like X Labs? I find it weird with that as Alter's clients are still active, so I'm confused on that end.
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Resxt That was a result with Piracy, no? I could be getting this wrong but the last client was taken down by the author as it was a byproduct of another client that received a cease & desist. However, I do understand why Plutonium would not do it, no point in risking it at this stage. Maybe you're talking about T7 though? I'm unaware as to what happened there and why it discontinued even after support from shiversoft, google is giving me no good answers, did they get a Cease & Desist just like X Labs? I find it weird with that as Alter's clients are still active, so I'm confused on that end.
Muufle every decent programmer closed their client by fear of Activision/because of direct/indirect C&D repercusions. The only T7 "clients" left are copy pasted crap run by clueless people. They're not clients, they're archived clients brought back to life by people owning a VPS pretty much.
BO3 is and was always an issue, you can easily see it and understand why + the game has pretty much everything when it comes to modding already so the interest is very limited for Plutonium developers.
What you're asking for is essentially
"Please put 6+ years worth of work (Plutonium) at risk to fix BO3 security issues (that already have solutions) to add nothing else to the game other than security, and although every other clients got taken down"I understand your concern but you need to understand that Plutonium is not gonna risk losing everything "just" to fix a game that already has several things fixing it to an extent and when we saw other clients get killed right in front of our eyes
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I understand some staff feel annoyed being asked about this all the time. But things change. If t7x, t7patch, cleanops, boiii and all the other knockoffs can do it, and all can work with legit copies of the game, then what is the issue? You guys already do it for bo2, bo1 and more. Nothing is stopping you, the cease and desist standpoint seems fair at face value but makes no sense when you point everything out. And isn't now the best time to ever do it for bo3?
The reason people come to plutonium is because you guys do it right. How can bo3 have way way more active players, but no matter what client you use, the server browser is dead despite the way higher player count?. Plutonium as a whole and bo2 specifically just works and there's way more lobbies with actual players playing.
We ask here because we know plutonium can do it and would do it best, and I think it would end up being the way people play bo3 on pc.
But is plutonium being complacent is the question. Are they telling people to accept the other BS clients and just overusing cease and desist as a simple way of saying "never"? Is it because plutonium think that if they went along to work on bo3, that it would somehow make all their previous work like bo2, bo1 less relevant/lower those player counts?
It sounds like I'm being standoffish but that's not the intention. Many people have asked, even asked for a discussion. Being annoyed over this is a choice, since there hasn't been a 'real' discussion. Why can all these other subpar clients that offer fixes, keep running throughout the years? They dont really bring anything to the table. Security patches for what? To play the same 1-2 lobbies if you're lucky? Or play offline? And ultimately just get bored and uninstall the game because there's no real remedy. There's a big playerbase that can't even play the game because no one can do it right. I bet theres a lot of people who uninstall bo3 just to go play bo2 plutonium- is that something plutonium staff think about?
I mean I myself have tried to go back to bo3 on multiple occasions and I keep coming back to bo2 plutonium cause it's good, it works and has good maps. But if I had the choice, I'd like to experience the same on bo3 because it literally is an upgrade from bo2 and has almost the same maps if not all of them.Yeah it's a long reply, but like let's talk about this because we sure did talk back in the days to get all these other games like bo2 to run well and have support with plutonium.
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I understand some staff feel annoyed being asked about this all the time. But things change. If t7x, t7patch, cleanops, boiii and all the other knockoffs can do it, and all can work with legit copies of the game, then what is the issue? You guys already do it for bo2, bo1 and more. Nothing is stopping you, the cease and desist standpoint seems fair at face value but makes no sense when you point everything out. And isn't now the best time to ever do it for bo3?
The reason people come to plutonium is because you guys do it right. How can bo3 have way way more active players, but no matter what client you use, the server browser is dead despite the way higher player count?. Plutonium as a whole and bo2 specifically just works and there's way more lobbies with actual players playing.
We ask here because we know plutonium can do it and would do it best, and I think it would end up being the way people play bo3 on pc.
But is plutonium being complacent is the question. Are they telling people to accept the other BS clients and just overusing cease and desist as a simple way of saying "never"? Is it because plutonium think that if they went along to work on bo3, that it would somehow make all their previous work like bo2, bo1 less relevant/lower those player counts?
It sounds like I'm being standoffish but that's not the intention. Many people have asked, even asked for a discussion. Being annoyed over this is a choice, since there hasn't been a 'real' discussion. Why can all these other subpar clients that offer fixes, keep running throughout the years? They dont really bring anything to the table. Security patches for what? To play the same 1-2 lobbies if you're lucky? Or play offline? And ultimately just get bored and uninstall the game because there's no real remedy. There's a big playerbase that can't even play the game because no one can do it right. I bet theres a lot of people who uninstall bo3 just to go play bo2 plutonium- is that something plutonium staff think about?
I mean I myself have tried to go back to bo3 on multiple occasions and I keep coming back to bo2 plutonium cause it's good, it works and has good maps. But if I had the choice, I'd like to experience the same on bo3 because it literally is an upgrade from bo2 and has almost the same maps if not all of them.Yeah it's a long reply, but like let's talk about this because we sure did talk back in the days to get all these other games like bo2 to run well and have support with plutonium.
Peggster The devs have already said multiple times they don't want to, and all the clients you already mentioned support BO3 and work well. Just use one of those.
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Peggster The devs have already said multiple times they don't want to, and all the clients you already mentioned support BO3 and work well. Just use one of those.
DrSkum88 have you read anything I said or just doing damage control? The other client DONT work well.
If we pull numbers just from steam, bo2 has a 24hr active player count peak of 211 and bo3 is 7162.
Average players playing right now? 156 for bo2. 3146 for bo3
I bring up steam because most people won't use steam to play these games and if they do it would be more so on bo3 which is insufficient without all the fixes or patches from these clients.
On bo2 plutonium, there's a couple dozen zombie games i can join at pretty much any time. There's lobbies with 6/8 people and plenty others with full lobbies or slots to be filled.
On bo3 you literally are not gonna connect to official servers so you lose players there. The server browsers for these clients are also not good or working idk who told you that, maybe they're good to play with friends-only who have the same modpacks as you. But if you're talking about just being able to play the game and tap into that player count? No it does jack shit. With the numbers I gave you, there's no way that I should have to play only bo2 plutonium to get a good 'online' experience.
This is why there's pushback or people coming to you guys. Idk what is up with these media-trained-like responses because most of the time it doesn't answer any of the real questions or nuanced things people bring up in the replies or initial posts.
And like after all I mentioned, who is FutureRave? Nobody had ever heard of him, let alone when it comes to t7x and some staff in here just drops the fact hes the only one with the full fork. Thanks I guess? Idk why that's the only little info they give and yet gets you nowhere. Which proves there isn't any good client. So what's the real issue? -
DrSkum88 have you read anything I said or just doing damage control? The other client DONT work well.
If we pull numbers just from steam, bo2 has a 24hr active player count peak of 211 and bo3 is 7162.
Average players playing right now? 156 for bo2. 3146 for bo3
I bring up steam because most people won't use steam to play these games and if they do it would be more so on bo3 which is insufficient without all the fixes or patches from these clients.
On bo2 plutonium, there's a couple dozen zombie games i can join at pretty much any time. There's lobbies with 6/8 people and plenty others with full lobbies or slots to be filled.
On bo3 you literally are not gonna connect to official servers so you lose players there. The server browsers for these clients are also not good or working idk who told you that, maybe they're good to play with friends-only who have the same modpacks as you. But if you're talking about just being able to play the game and tap into that player count? No it does jack shit. With the numbers I gave you, there's no way that I should have to play only bo2 plutonium to get a good 'online' experience.
This is why there's pushback or people coming to you guys. Idk what is up with these media-trained-like responses because most of the time it doesn't answer any of the real questions or nuanced things people bring up in the replies or initial posts.
And like after all I mentioned, who is FutureRave? Nobody had ever heard of him, let alone when it comes to t7x and some staff in here just drops the fact hes the only one with the full fork. Thanks I guess? Idk why that's the only little info they give and yet gets you nowhere. Which proves there isn't any good client. So what's the real issue?It honestly sounds like you just wanna complain (among some valid points)
No one owes you anything and Plutonium does free work on free time when and if they want to
BO3 having almost everything that could be fun to add for the Plutonium dev team makes it a very uninteresting project
We don't owe anyone any free client on free time, we don't owe anyone an answer or yearly statements on a game and the list goes on.I understand the feeling as a player but that's how it is. Modding is people who decide THEY want to do things on free time, not people asking them to justify why they don't and if you don't understand that simple concept then too bad
FutureRave isn't nobody at all, I'd ask who the hell is this Peggster guy instead
If BO3 magically ever comes to Plutonium it won't be because people like you were annoying on forums saying it's almost immoral how Plutonium does not have BO3 or a "BO3 statement"
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It honestly sounds like you just wanna complain (among some valid points)
No one owes you anything and Plutonium does free work on free time when and if they want to
BO3 having almost everything that could be fun to add for the Plutonium dev team makes it a very uninteresting project
We don't owe anyone any free client on free time, we don't owe anyone an answer or yearly statements on a game and the list goes on.I understand the feeling as a player but that's how it is. Modding is people who decide THEY want to do things on free time, not people asking them to justify why they don't and if you don't understand that simple concept then too bad
FutureRave isn't nobody at all, I'd ask who the hell is this Peggster guy instead
If BO3 magically ever comes to Plutonium it won't be because people like you were annoying on forums saying it's almost immoral how Plutonium does not have BO3 or a "BO3 statement"
Have a nice day man!Resxt if i have to premise things and they still get taken as just complaining thats fine. but i did say things on premise. im not just trying to complain. and yet no real discussion, just silenced and summed up to complaining and nothing gets done. im not your boss asking people to do shit for me for free, dont swing it that way. im trying to start discussion. isnt the reason why people do this on their free time? to fix things and stop the gatekeeping and whatnot? im saying its gotten to the point where it seems like everyone cant come to agree on working together or to make 1 good client. how did plutonium get to this point with all the games they support and run well? there had to be people actually wanting to work together to make cool shit like this happen.
and yeah i try to ask good questions like, how does plutonium go from being under activisions will to being able to have optic or faze or others to host tournaments using it, even if switching to 'legal' copies. and then when asked about bo3, were told to use something that doesnt work lol. most people seem to agree on that, from casual to the ones developing these clients and fixes. but they say otherwise when you ask in forums or directly to people involved. what did activision do?
nobody is asking you to do anything right now, settle down. its clear what people are asking and even clearer what im asking. its just odd that everyone wants to fork from the same client, all calling the last one shit, then tell you to use one of them. plenty of people out there who wanna do shit on their free time, plenty more who would sit there for hours obsessing over trying to fix something. if it werent the case, who the hell would know about plutonium? annoying is just another word to push for better - hence all the devs you keep bringing up as a means to take away any of my points. mustve gotten a PR team over there by now, paid by activisionthe point was to have/start a discussion to see where it leads. yeah might sound or look like a debate at times, but trying to attack or flip it? from a staff? the point is to talk, not turn it into cancel culture. the second you cant have that, and nothing gets done, or talked about, youre bought out in some way. the avoiding of bo3 is obvious, thats about all that is apparent. and i dont think its for anything you mentioned.
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