Z-tavern/cipher/jackal
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"Not to mention that turning a plutonium server into a business is against the rules since it was the reason why kiels got suspended for a week 2 years ago for the exact same thing he's doing right now."
You were the owner (as stated in your bio) when we introduced VIP tiers; furthermore, we used your PayPal account for transactions in the beginning. Even though you didn't keep the money, this seems to bother you now, whereas it didn't when you were part of the project.
But as you say if it need action Pluto mods will act.
Wish you and LKurama, the best.
damsblc i left because kiels and freestyle both wanted subscription into the server, i made a community post that clearly showed that people were against it but kiels only cared about getting money so he basically forced it into the server. I was always against subscription model since i found them very predatory. With no other option i left the server since i didn't want to be affiliated with this kind of mentality and practise and gave away my cut of the month. Only a few days later kiels implemented multiple VIP tiers and literally a fucking shop add after loading into a server.
We used my paypal account at first since kiels paypal was/is banned and freestyle didn't rly want to handle that part, I only did 1 tier of VIP since the point was to just make enough to pay for the hosting expenses, i made i clear that i didn't want to turn VIP into a game breaking necessity just to make a quick buck and completely break the balancing of the server like old ztavern did and we all agreed on that.
After a month kiels started to get nervous because we weren't making enough money and wanted to make sure we had a steady flow of income which was weird for me since we made 8 times more than the VPS cost and the servers kept growing, then he said that he needed money for personal reason (that i won't say since it involved his private life) and basicly forced me to go back on my word.
So i left
I always knew kiels was here for the money, i just didn't realise that he was ready to sell his soul just to make 300 buck a month
Something i'm not going to ever do. If kiels really need money he can always create an indeed account, not ruining a really good server with good potential
He's no better than Activision
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Luxity1 LKurama Blaze The Cats
Hey Lux, from what I've seen, you've always been a toxic player, the kind who deliberately sabotages the game (I speak from experience: during an Easter Egg attempt on Origins, you just stood there with the Fire Staff for ~20 minutes; when I called you an asshole, you went and complained to the moderators XD). You said your VIP status was revoked, but you I ask and you aren't banned from the game, so ?lKurama, trying to nuke a server by demanding actions from someone with admin rights seems a bit childish to me; and threatening legal action over something you don't even own is stupid (no offense intended).
Blaze, you left Jackal because you didn't share Kiels' vision, that's your right. But calling someone a parasite... as for the name, he changed it, so I don't see why you're bringing that up again.
The three of you are just spreading negativity.
If players didn't like it, the server wouldn't exist anymore.
Some people like the mods Kiels offers, and as long as that lasts, I don't see why he should stop.Just move on.
We get it, you don't like him, but there's no point in spewing venom like that.flaanders92 oh you mean about when my origins game was getting griefed and the mod told me "fight fire with fire"?? yeah i guess that makes me a griefer. and my vip status was never revoked that was not my words.
im the griefer right?
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kiels being the amazing person he is decided he hasn't got enough money yet
this post will include further incidents of him scamming or wrongfully using his permissions.
- wrongfully banning for 0 reason i will be sending the full convo here for further investigation hopefully by mods. wouldnt let me speak to him about it instantly banned me on the discord (i brought vip which includes the discord server tag and ect, meaning he has completely voided my reward for buying the vip and has refused to refund me multiple times.
i will be further updating this post or replying to it with further issues i have this is just my first little trial with things.
He is also listed as just a "dev" inside of the discord and claims he isnt the owner but we all know that isnt the case.
if this wasn't obvious i have no hate towards the old people that were helping this server such as blaze or some other people this post is mainly about kiels and how he shouldnt be able to host such servers while abusing his power.
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kiels being the amazing person he is decided he hasn't got enough money yet
this post will include further incidents of him scamming or wrongfully using his permissions.
- wrongfully banning for 0 reason i will be sending the full convo here for further investigation hopefully by mods. wouldnt let me speak to him about it instantly banned me on the discord (i brought vip which includes the discord server tag and ect, meaning he has completely voided my reward for buying the vip and has refused to refund me multiple times.
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i will be further updating this post or replying to it with further issues i have this is just my first little trial with things.
He is also listed as just a "dev" inside of the discord and claims he isnt the owner but we all know that isnt the case.
if this wasn't obvious i have no hate towards the old people that were helping this server such as blaze or some other people this post is mainly about kiels and how he shouldnt be able to host such servers while abusing his power.
https://forum.plutonium.pw/topic/35864/invalid-topic-issue-has-been-dealt-with/42
if anyone is interested this is the old post
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hi Prtit and I are the new owners of Z-Tavern. Kiels is no longer involved with us. We’ve been independently rebuilding Z-Tavern, investing in better dedicated servers and our own domain, while keeping VIP prices reasonable. That’s why it was concerning to see Prtit banned from Plutonium today leading to the server keys revoked being without explanation. Given the time and money we’ve invested, we’d appreciate either the ban being revoked or a clear explanation from the Plutonium staff as soon as possible
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hi Prtit and I are the new owners of Z-Tavern. Kiels is no longer involved with us. We’ve been independently rebuilding Z-Tavern, investing in better dedicated servers and our own domain, while keeping VIP prices reasonable. That’s why it was concerning to see Prtit banned from Plutonium today leading to the server keys revoked being without explanation. Given the time and money we’ve invested, we’d appreciate either the ban being revoked or a clear explanation from the Plutonium staff as soon as possible
G -X- S im not sure if this was anything to do with us considering here i am only mentioning the server cipher i only used to ztavern handle as kiels has been using it inside of the discord and that is what he is known for. sorry for not making that clear i was not aware that the ztavern servers were even still up let alone handled by new owners. if this was anything to do with me then i am very sorry and i hope this can be resolved. this issue is on kiels no one else.
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"Z-TAVERN", "Cipher" and anything else this individual is affiliated with will be banned. We're not going to spend any more time dealing with this drama.
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Since he gave us the server, he has not interfered in his affairs. So, we operate separately and have no connection to him. Especially after communication was cut off between us when I refused to return the servant to him, out of concern that he would take people's money and leave, as he has done many times before. Therefore, I demand that the ban on 'Pritit' be lifted, because he has nothing to do with this. As we said previously (we operate independently and have no relation to him)
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Hey, quick question do you actually know Kiels personally, or did you just show up to defend him with an account you created 7–8 hours ago?
Because right now it just looks like you're jumping in to protect him without really being involved. If you’ve got real experience with him, fair enough but if not, maybe don’t act like you know the full situation.
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Hey, quick question do you actually know Kiels personally, or did you just show up to defend him with an account you created 7–8 hours ago?
Because right now it just looks like you're jumping in to protect him without really being involved. If you’ve got real experience with him, fair enough but if not, maybe don’t act like you know the full situation.
MoroccoFN
Yo ElyZium I had created this secondary account because I couldn't log in to my main account, which is this one.I WAS an admin on the server, I don't know him personnally. I only defended the project because as a player I put money in it.
I and an another admin tell him in staff chat to calm down and back up on this situation but yep -_- you can see that's it's not the case.I apologize to Lux and take back what I've said; I was speaking from memory, without a screen in front of me, and I think I confused you with Spike on that point.
Just like Z-Tav when he was owner I think it's a gg, can't help the devil and I'm not a lawyer. Every time it's come to Kiels, it's end up in a Drama I should have learned my lesson back then.
I wish you all, the best. -
MoroccoFN
Yo ElyZium I had created this secondary account because I couldn't log in to my main account, which is this one.I WAS an admin on the server, I don't know him personnally. I only defended the project because as a player I put money in it.
I and an another admin tell him in staff chat to calm down and back up on this situation but yep -_- you can see that's it's not the case.I apologize to Lux and take back what I've said; I was speaking from memory, without a screen in front of me, and I think I confused you with Spike on that point.
Just like Z-Tav when he was owner I think it's a gg, can't help the devil and I'm not a lawyer. Every time it's come to Kiels, it's end up in a Drama I should have learned my lesson back then.
I wish you all, the best.damsblc been trying to calm him down for 3 years, at some point you have to accept he will never change
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MoroccoFN
Yo ElyZium I had created this secondary account because I couldn't log in to my main account, which is this one.I WAS an admin on the server, I don't know him personnally. I only defended the project because as a player I put money in it.
I and an another admin tell him in staff chat to calm down and back up on this situation but yep -_- you can see that's it's not the case.I apologize to Lux and take back what I've said; I was speaking from memory, without a screen in front of me, and I think I confused you with Spike on that point.
Just like Z-Tav when he was owner I think it's a gg, can't help the devil and I'm not a lawyer. Every time it's come to Kiels, it's end up in a Drama I should have learned my lesson back then.
I wish you all, the best.damsblc thank you very much and yes i did speak to the mod who told him to calm down but he never listens. this isnt my first interaction with him and when i was affiliated with the old ztavern server i was always treated with no respect from kiels.
i once looked up to him not knowing the full background around 3 years ago when i had a interest in coding till later i found out he only wants the money.
i do not hate you or anyone else that was involved with this situation all the mods just get told to listen to him and do what he says no one else can be blamed for this then he can.
I got told to make a ticket. i made a ticket.
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"Z-TAVERN", "Cipher" and anything else this individual is affiliated with will be banned. We're not going to spend any more time dealing with this drama.
Eldor
Cipher closed, but "Slave of Moon" reopened a copy of Cipher named "Husk" (The entire server is based on Cipher which is based on Jackal, previously done by Kiels)
Before Cipher closed, "Slave of Moon" and Kiels advertised "Husk", and then Kiels deleted the Cipher server later today or yesterday at maximum.
Attached is a picture of the Cipher server before they deleted it clearly advertising "Husk":
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Eldor
Cipher closed, but "Slave of Moon" reopened a copy of Cipher named "Husk" (The entire server is based on Cipher which is based on Jackal, previously done by Kiels)
Before Cipher closed, "Slave of Moon" and Kiels advertised "Husk", and then Kiels deleted the Cipher server later today or yesterday at maximum.
Attached is a picture of the Cipher server before they deleted it clearly advertising "Husk":
RedArrow27 Since this keeps coming up, here is the situation from our side.
Husk is an independent project. It is not owned, run, funded or developed by Kiels, and it is not a Freestyle project. Our team, our staff and our development are our own.
About the screenshot: yes, when Cipher shut down, a link to Husk was posted there. That was a shout-out to players looking for somewhere to go nothing more. Pointing a closing community towards another server is not the same as owning it, and it doesn't transfer a project from one team to another.
Calling Husk "a copy of Cipher" also isn't accurate. Similar genre and similar base game will always mean some overlap in what a server looks like from the outside, but the project, the people running it and the direction are different.
If someone genuinely believes otherwise, bring actual evidence and we'll address it point by point. Screenshots of an invite link aren't that.
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RedArrow27 Since this keeps coming up, here is the situation from our side.
Husk is an independent project. It is not owned, run, funded or developed by Kiels, and it is not a Freestyle project. Our team, our staff and our development are our own.
About the screenshot: yes, when Cipher shut down, a link to Husk was posted there. That was a shout-out to players looking for somewhere to go nothing more. Pointing a closing community towards another server is not the same as owning it, and it doesn't transfer a project from one team to another.
Calling Husk "a copy of Cipher" also isn't accurate. Similar genre and similar base game will always mean some overlap in what a server looks like from the outside, but the project, the people running it and the direction are different.
If someone genuinely believes otherwise, bring actual evidence and we'll address it point by point. Screenshots of an invite link aren't that.
Husk is an independent project. It is not owned, run, funded or developed by Kiels, and it is not a Freestyle project.
I'm not entirely sure this is not a Freestyle Project, see below:
You say he has helped on your #credits channel, and he was part of the development team for Jackal.Our team, our staff and our development are our own.
Well the problem is that Husk is a copy of Cipher, take this comparison screenshot of the Jackal Servers (renamed to Cipher later on, but gets the point across) and Husk servers:
They are basically identical, it's like the code for the servers is a direct copyand it doesn't transfer a project from one team to another.
The problem is that the project's base is copied, literally Ctrl + C, Ctrl + V, how can most elements the player see be equal between Jackal/Cipher and Husk???
Calling Husk "a copy of Cipher" also isn't accurate. Similar genre and similar base game will always mean some overlap in what a server looks like from the outside, but the project, the people running it and the direction are different.
If someone genuinely believes otherwise, bring actual evidence and we'll address it point by point. Screenshots of an invite link aren't that.
Most of the systems present in Husk are a copy of Cipher's, try:
- The Multi-Pap system you have, which is identical to Cipher's.
- The Camo skins Husk has, which were made by LKurama, which were previously in Cipher.
- The 3x event system you have, which was previously 2x on cipher is identical on Husk.
- Brotus on the Bridge, a GameMode you have, was initially done in Z-Tavern, later "ported" to Cipher.
There's probably way too many things that are also equal, like the source code and the em-dashes in the bot, which I just won't even get started but I refuse to believe this is a project done with good faith and no association to Kiels.
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RedArrow27 Hey, Minddit bere. I'm curently staff member at husk. You said i quote you "Most of the systems present in Husk are a copy of Cipher's, try: The Camo Husk has, which were made by LKurama, which were previously in Cipher, LKurama gave Deividule the right to use them since it's his own camos. "The 3x event system you have, which was previously 2x on cipher is identical on Husk." this x3 XP event is not a cipher property
you said i quote "There's probably way too many things that are also equal, like the source code and the em-dashes in the bot, which I just won't even get started but I refuse to believe this is a project done with good faith and no association to Kiels. ." No. Kiels is not involved in husk yes many things are similar to Jackal/Cipher but the server direction isn't the same as kiels server direction.
Also you said "Brutus on the Bridge, a GameMode you have, was initially done in Z-Tavern, later "ported" to Cipher." Yes it was initially done in ztav/jackal/cipher but BotB was originally made public in github long time ago wich was deleted.
And also why coming with a new account on this thread ? are you afraid to come with you main account or are someone jealous that can't come with his main (ex kiels) -
Yo guys just stop this shi thread
RedArrow27 stop creating alts and posting shi about ppl you don't know, this move sucks bro. If you had good intentions, you wouldn't have created an account specifically for this thread.
This project is not the successor of Kiels' bad scheme, it's just reviving the best of what people experienced from good memories and stuff, and is clearly not related to Kiels since they stated he's not involved and will never be. Kiels is the main guy responsible for leading his community into Deivi's server, and I guess your screenshot lacks of important context that was explained just before me.
Nothing is stolen as it uses public code base and deivi doesn't seem to be a scammer afaik, let's just end this conversation here. It's also easy to re-use and decompile any server mod.
This case is closed and should never be opened again, unless necessary. Pluto staff has much better to do
Just keep this place clean. Plutonium must remain a platform of dignity and respect. There's no need to make things even worse, we're all adults here.
Consider this as my final message here, the necessary actions have been taken and there's no need to do more, we are free from this nightmare
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